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Post by turbokinetic on Apr 2, 2019 12:08:12 GMT
Update for the past week. Have looked at 3 different CK-2-C16s. One was $500 and the other was $350, both located in Washington. Neither one had a switch in them but the $500 one had the relay and new wiring. The third one I visited is in the local area and I heard about it from a friend. But it was toast, or I should say toasted. It had been through a fire in a shed. Toast. So I am back to square one. I have cut the tuning and took the freezer unit off and am draining the oils out. Didn't really smell much. Haven't cut the housing for the motor yet. because I haven't decided what to do to get the thing running. Still thinking of taking the works out of a small refrigerator and putting them where the motor is and re-plumbing through the original tubes. I really don't want to spend much on this for my shop. I just want it to work like my 1938 Maytag washer (gas engine $125 invested) !944 Sears 66" porcelain sink and drainboard ($47 in paint invested) Crazy about the toasted fridge! Did you get pictures of it? That may win out as most ruined Monitor Top! I would still like to see if the compressor could be made to run.
You could install a small compressor inside the existing motor housing. Be warned, that there have been several failed attempts at this which fail due to the small amount of oil in the compressor leaving it and getting "lost" in the system. You'll have to add extra oil to the system to allow one of the small units to work. Also be sure your compressor doesn't require fan cooling of the outside of the housing. Many modern ones require the condenser fan air stream to blow across the housing.
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Post by joneske on Apr 2, 2019 14:37:09 GMT
PS: I never did find the one in Vancouver for $175
OfferUp is tricky. You have to set the distance to "max" for searching. See if this link works: offerup.com/item/detail/275793787/
I messaged the seller last week, and it was available at that time.
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Post by elec573 on Apr 3, 2019 5:46:55 GMT
Nice find it took me to it Turbo. I would definitely check that one out.
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Post by joneske on Apr 6, 2019 17:57:54 GMT
It’s now showing sold. Are you the one that bought it?
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janthetoolman
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Can anyone tell me what a D-2-A16 is?
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Post by janthetoolman on Apr 10, 2019 12:14:06 GMT
I finally broke down and bought the one in Vancouver. He said it worked until recently when they remodeled? Took it home and plugged it in. Motor started. Touched the housing, and zap, 110 volts. Unplugged it and am now rewiring it. I think the fridge has sat out in the rain and the insulation has gotten wet and that may be part of the problem along with old wiring that has been replaced before.
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Post by turbokinetic on Apr 10, 2019 12:42:20 GMT
I finally broke down and bought the one in Vancouver. He said it worked until recently when they remodeled? Took it home and plugged it in. Motor started. Touched the housing, and zap, 110 volts. Unplugged it and am now rewiring it. I think the fridge has sat out in the rain and the insulation has gotten wet and that may be part of the problem along with old wiring that has been replaced before. That's good you were able to purchase this one! Hopefully the ground fault is not internal to the motor. If I were you, I'd isolate the motor (like you did with your original one) and meg it to be sure.
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Post by janthetoolman on Apr 12, 2019 11:58:05 GMT
The ongoing tale of my new CK2-C16. Can't read the ser. #. It was running when moved to a not too well protected area and was raining so it was wet when we cor it home. Proceeded to take apart and dry and clean and replace the wiring harness.Took the back off of the relay and set it on a board on top of the monitor. Plugged it in and the relay started and the motor started and after 10 - 15 minutes the monitor top started getting warm and the ice box started getting cool to the touch. So I shut it off and decided to put it back together.Reassembled the relay and attached it, reinstalled the insulation and repaired the cardboard retainer. Didn't put it back on the refer yet because I wanted to run it again. So, I plugged it in and turned it on and POOF. The relay put out a cloud of smoke and now nothing. So I took it back apart and cant tell that any thing is wrong other than there doesn't seem to be any points on the back side. Where do I go from here?
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Post by turbokinetic on Apr 12, 2019 14:42:28 GMT
The ongoing tale of my new CK2-C16. Can't read the ser. #. It was running when moved to a not too well protected area and was raining so it was wet when we cor it home. Proceeded to take apart and dry and clean and replace the wiring harness.Took the back off of the relay and set it on a board on top of the monitor. Plugged it in and the relay started and the motor started and after 10 - 15 minutes the monitor top started getting warm and the ice box started getting cool to the touch. So I shut it off and decided to put it back together.Reassembled the relay and attached it, reinstalled the insulation and repaired the cardboard retainer. Didn't put it back on the refer yet because I wanted to run it again. So, I plugged it in and turned it on and POOF. The relay put out a cloud of smoke and now nothing. So I took it back apart and cant tell that any thing is wrong other than there doesn't seem to be any points on the back side. Where do I go from here? That's frustrating! It sounds like, possibly, a short circuit occurred. This short allowed the start-circuit contacts to provide a direct path from power to neutral on the incoming 120V circuit. That would likely burn away the contacts as you describe.
Is there a chance that somehow the wires touched after the relay was put back into position?
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Post by Travis on Apr 12, 2019 15:42:23 GMT
You’ll get it. Double check your wiring and install a Supco RO81.
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Post by birkie on Apr 14, 2019 3:08:40 GMT
Sorry to hear that! If you can measure the resistances of the compressor (start to run, run to common, start to common, any to ground), you can verify whether the compressor is still OK, then turn your attention to the relay.
The initial zap you got hopefully was due to the poor condition of the wiring. Often times, there are areas where there is bare wire due to the insulation crumbling away
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Post by janthetoolman on Apr 29, 2019 18:01:20 GMT
After spending much needed time in Hawaii, I finally got back and ordered the RO81 relay for my ck. And then I tried to find a simple wiring diagram. Come on guys, have we ever been told to use the KISS method. Keep It Simple S_________. So I drew my own but the program said it was too big. So I will try to put it in words.
START COMMON RUN
P P P
O O O
S S S
T T Y ON/OFF
TEMP CONTROL
POWER WHITE TO NEUTRAL CENTER POST BLACK TO BLACK ON RELAY BLACK TO WHITE ON TEMP CONTROL RELAY WHITE TO BLACK ON POWER
BLACK TO BLACK ON RELAY
WHITE TO RUN POST
RED TO START POST If anyone can look at this and please comment if this is correct or not, I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance
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Post by turbokinetic on Apr 30, 2019 1:06:38 GMT
After spending much needed time in Hawaii, I finally got back and ordered the RO81 relay for my ck. And then I tried to find a simple wiring diagram. Come on guys, have we ever been told to use the KISS method. Keep It Simple S_________. So I drew my own but the program said it was too big. So I will try to put it in words.
START COMMON RUN
P P P
O O O
S S S
T T Y ON/OFF
TEMP CONTROL
POWER WHITE TO NEUTRAL CENTER POST BLACK TO BLACK ON RELAY BLACK TO WHITE ON TEMP CONTROL RELAY WHITE TO BLACK ON POWER
BLACK TO BLACK ON RELAY
WHITE TO RUN POST
RED TO START POST If anyone can look at this and please comment if this is correct or not, I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance
I think the differences in browser software made your diagram not work on my computer. It's all jumbled up.
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Post by elec573 on Apr 30, 2019 2:10:27 GMT
Ok don’t hook this up until we get it straighten out ! We have others that have used these and we’ll get back to you. You can burn up the motor if terminals are mixed up .
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Post by ckfan on Apr 30, 2019 18:53:37 GMT
I apologize for the lack of a clear diagram for re wiring a CK with a newer style relay. I did one for the original style but never one for the RO81. Here is a link to a diagram I made for re wiring a flat top with a RO81. It will be very similar to yours, just disregard the light circuit. Please let me know if you have more questions. monitortop.freeforums.net/thread/811/re-wired-flat-top?page=2
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Post by janthetoolman on May 2, 2019 23:46:23 GMT
Finally got another new RO81 just to be sure I didn't ruin the last one. Wired it in per drawings above. First soldered relay to their individual posts. Then hooked power in through the switch. And then back to the relay. I have power to the relay, but am unsure how to test for power at the terminal posts. Plugged it in after double checking the wiring. Nothing. Have had it on for about two hours now. By now I have forgotten what the original problem was!
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