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Post by allan on Nov 13, 2015 3:20:29 GMT
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Post by cablehack on Nov 13, 2015 12:23:17 GMT
There was an English CK look alike on this forum a while back. While it used the GE flat plate condenser, the rest of it (compressor & evaporator) was BTH (British Thomson Houston). The cabinet had a Canadian model number. British AC mains supply at the time was typically 200 to 250V, depending on the district, and standardised on 240V since the late 60's. As for this DR lookalike, it would be interesting to know if the compressor is a U.S. 110V import, or British made for 200-250V. I would guess at the time with the design in its infancy they'd use the 110V GE compressor and provide a transformer, as was done with Australian imports.
I'd suggest looking up the refrigeration episode of "Secret Life of Machines" on youtube. This is a UK produced series and a DR appears a couple of times in that episode.
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Post by birkie on Sept 18, 2017 1:10:48 GMT
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Post by ckfan on Sept 18, 2017 12:46:37 GMT
It looks to me that the evaporator is a stainless one similar to the ones the CAs used...I could be wrong though. I also wonder why they used a different control?
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Post by blackhorse on Sept 18, 2017 16:11:23 GMT
It looks to me that the evaporator is a stainless one similar to the ones the CAs used...I could be wrong though. I also wonder why they used a different control? The evaporator looks more like the CK ones to me, the shelf in the CAs was aluminum, thicker at the sides and thinner in the middle, with an angle riveted to the stainless part, wasn't it? These look like the single piece with the folded stainless shelf to me? Is the control different, or just the knobs and bezel? The knob on the left seems to have the same functions as the little lever...... Although it seems kind of Frankenfridge; did the DR's ever have stainless evaporators? I guess they kind of picked and chose parts they liked from what GE had used. Edited pics stretched and shadows removed: Attachments:
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Post by ckfan on Sept 18, 2017 17:08:14 GMT
I think you are right. I think that is a CK style evaporator. I do know that some of the very last DRs and this would be one of them, had that style of evaporator. I can't quite tell if the dimensions of the control are the same or not but I do know that they never had the little red overload flag that the later models had.
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Post by blackhorse on Sept 18, 2017 18:57:15 GMT
This would certainly be one of the last. I'm kind of surprised that they still made them in '34.
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Post by birkie on Sept 18, 2017 23:22:14 GMT
I think it's a completely different evaporator. The Canadian AKs (for example) used a shiny stainless Ft. Wayne lookalike evaporator with two headers and a connecting tube, instead of the US CK evap. Then there was a recent thread about a BTH brochure: monitortop.freeforums.net/post/15932/threadIn the linked folder, pdf "h" shows BTH's "Franken-CK", with a U-shaped evaporator, and the compressor mounted _below_ the motor. It's almost as if they went out of their way to use a similar-but-different design. I wouldn't be surprised if the evaporator on that quasi-DR is similar to the one in the BTH brochure. It looks fairly shorter than a CK evap as well. Who knows what surprises lurk inside that dome (actually, it seems to me that GE had a degree of excessive (but well-deserved) pride in the DR oscillating cylinder design, so I suspect it has standard DR guts in the dome. but who knows)
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Post by blackhorse on Sept 19, 2017 4:05:30 GMT
The oscillating cylinder design is brilliant; the only thing I've ever seen remotely similar is steam engine design. Which I frankly wonder if they didn't borrow from. Darn shame the laws of physics were fighting them at every turn on it.
I kind of wonder if the almost-alike-but-completely-opposite scotch yoke Canadian compressor was as close as GE patent lawyers would let BTH get to licensing the "real deal". "You can be like us, but not us".
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Post by ckfan on Sept 19, 2017 13:20:49 GMT
I think it's a completely different evaporator. The Canadian AKs (for example) used a shiny stainless Ft. Wayne lookalike evaporator with two headers and a connecting tube, instead of the US CK evap. Then there was a recent thread about a BTH brochure: monitortop.freeforums.net/post/15932/threadIn the linked folder, pdf "h" shows BTH's "Franken-CK", with a U-shaped evaporator, and the compressor mounted _below_ the motor. It's almost as if they went out of their way to use a similar-but-different design. I wouldn't be surprised if the evaporator on that quasi-DR is similar to the one in the BTH brochure. It looks fairly shorter than a CK evap as well. Who knows what surprises lurk inside that dome (actually, it seems to me that GE had a degree of excessive (but well-deserved) pride in the DR oscillating cylinder design, so I suspect it has standard DR guts in the dome. but who knows) This is gold Birkie, GOLD!
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Post by blackhorse on Sept 19, 2017 15:03:21 GMT
Do we know if the "BTH's "Franken-CK", with a U-shaped evaporator, and the compressor mounted _below_ the motor" even had an oil pump?
Tecumseh had scotch yoke compressors for decades with the motor on top, and a "splasher" on the scotch yoke tube that threw oil around for lubrication. Which of course only works with the motor on top.
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Post by ckfan on Sept 19, 2017 22:52:26 GMT
Do we know if the "BTH's "Franken-CK", with a U-shaped evaporator, and the compressor mounted _below_ the motor" even had an oil pump? Tecumseh had scotch yoke compressors for decades with the motor on top, and a "splasher" on the scotch yoke tube that threw oil around for lubrication. Which of course only works with the motor on top. Wow, no wonder the old Tecumseh compressors are so quiet. I wonder if the old pancake compressors are that way?
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Post by birkie on Sept 20, 2017 1:22:48 GMT
The oscillating cylinder design is brilliant; the only thing I've ever seen remotely similar is steam engine design. Which I frankly wonder if they didn't borrow from. Darn shame the laws of physics were fighting them at every turn on it. I totally agree! BTH dare not touch it. The CK is more... mainstream. A collection of great ideas that together sum to a home run; but well enough within the range of "normal" that BTH engineers must have felt confident messing with it.
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Post by blackhorse on Sept 20, 2017 4:08:14 GMT
Do we know if the "BTH's "Franken-CK", with a U-shaped evaporator, and the compressor mounted _below_ the motor" even had an oil pump? Tecumseh had scotch yoke compressors for decades with the motor on top, and a "splasher" on the scotch yoke tube that threw oil around for lubrication. Which of course only works with the motor on top. Wow, no wonder the old Tecumseh compressors are so quiet. I wonder if the old pancake compressors are that way? The pancake compressors are the ones I'm referring to. The round and oval ones use(d) a more traditional piston, connecting rod, crankshaft arrangement. But that's too big to fit in the pancake housing.
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Post by coldspaces on Sept 20, 2017 4:36:07 GMT
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