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Post by cablehack on Aug 14, 2013 1:04:59 GMT
I found this rather long GE document which consists of excerpts from one of the GE employees diaries. You can see the whole thing here, but at 35Mb it isn't really worth downloading unless you are interested in other aspects of GE. The important part is this paragraph:
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Post by ChrisJ on Aug 14, 2013 13:06:36 GMT
Thats interesting. Its a shame it doesn't say how often or if the problem is expected to continue for the life of the unit or not.
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Post by cablehack on Aug 15, 2013 1:33:45 GMT
This is when we want access to internal memos....the way that diary entry is written gives me the impression it was a major issue. In fact I wonder if GE charged CA owners for the purging; knowing full well it was the design that caused it. A bit like the car recalls of today perhaps? But from the large amount of CA's around today, still in use, or used until recently, it's clear a lot of them didn't overly suffer from NCG's. I'd like to know what the proportion is of CA's manufactured, to those that needed frequent purging, and were an inconvenience to GE. Just going on ebay ads, it does seem that for surviving examples, CA's are not represented much less than CK's, taking into account the longer production time for the CK.
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Post by ChrisJ on Aug 15, 2013 1:53:14 GMT
This is when we want access to internal memos....the way that diary entry is written gives me the impression it was a major issue. In fact I wonder if GE charged CA owners for the purging; knowing full well it was the design that caused it. A bit like the car recalls of today perhaps? But from the large amount of CA's around today, still in use, or used until recently, it's clear a lot of them didn't overly suffer from NCG's. I'd like to know what the proportion is of CA's manufactured, to those that needed frequent purging, and were an inconvenience to GE. Just going on ebay ads, it does seem that for surviving examples, CA's are not represented much less than CK's, taking into account the longer production time for the CK. Keep in mind if this problem happened ONLY after the first few weeks it was still a big problem. Perhaps after the first or second purge all was well, forever? Either way, you buy a $3000-4000 USD equivalent to today refrigerator and in the first month its broken? I'm sure most if not all owners were less than satisfied with the quality.
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Post by cablehack on Aug 15, 2013 3:37:44 GMT
That's an interesting question. The way the purging instructions are worded, it seems one purge is normal, but if it's required again in another month, then that isn't, and a leak is indicated. There's no indication given as to an acceptable frequency, or if as you say, it should be a one off thing.
Perhaps the surviving examples did have a couple of purges in their early life, and haven't needed it since. That there was a CA form A mentioned in the Flickr group that had solder in the access valve threads suggests some have never been purged.
Something else I've wondered about is if the NCG's keep coming from the methyl formate, and not a leak, does that mean eventually the methyl formate stops working - once there's nothing left to break down into the NCG's? (Not that it will happen in our lifetime of course). Or, is there only a certain amount that breaks down for a given quantity, and once gone, the methyl formate is then "pure"? Unfortunately, my knowledge of chemisty is next to nothing, so I'm not sure on that one. Old refrigeration servicing journals in a library that still keeps old books might be the only way to find out.
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Post by csulaguy on Jul 25, 2018 8:56:44 GMT
Perhaps the surviving examples did have a couple of purges in their early life, and haven't needed it since. That there was a CA form A mentioned in the Flickr group that had solder in the access valve threads suggests some have never been purged. Yes, this. My Form A had either solder or weld. Couldn't break it free with my soldering iron, so ultimately, I had to drill it out carefully, as it was rusted shut.
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Post by gnc on Dec 19, 2018 18:10:20 GMT
Service Manual General Electric Refrigerators with Ca Machines can be downloaded from Archive.org Be sure to change the FORMAT if necessary to read it. 1933 and 1934
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Post by Travis on Dec 19, 2018 20:57:26 GMT
The service manuals for all of these machines have been available on this forum for years
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Post by elec573 on Dec 28, 2018 6:30:19 GMT
Welcome gnc thanks for posting yes all the manuals are here for free but it’s nice that you made an effort. Thanks
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