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Post by jake on Oct 3, 2023 21:47:43 GMT
When I bought my second 1950 Frigidaire model DM-90P it didn't work. The seller said it was "dead", wouldn't do anything. I bypassed the compressor relay and got it running. After a couple hours the evaporator was fully frosted. So I replaced the relay. It ran fine but every once in a while I'd hear a loud start and sometimes the overload would trip. So, I kept an eye on it. This went on for quite a while. I found no rhyme or reason to it. There was no pattern. Then one morning the compressor kept repeatedly trying to start, loudly, and the overload kept tripping. I unplugged the fridge and went to work. Nine hours later, when I got back home I plugged the Frigidaire back in and got the same result. So I knew it was an electrical problem. I had been thinking about the, original, wiring going from the relay to the compressor. Maybe there was an intermittent bad connection. So I replaced that wiring. I found a black, flat, three wire extension cord on Amazon that is a perfect match to the original "Rip-Cord", as Frigidaire called it. I cut it to the correct length, crimped connectors on both ends, and installed it exactly as the original wiring was. Once again the Frigidaire ran fine for a while but it started acting up again! Same thing, occasional loud starts with occasional overload trips. Now I began thinking it must be a hard starting compressor. I remembered reading in my 1950 Frigidaire Parts Catalog about an "optional" capacitor "if needed". I didn't want to use a modern hard start kit, or anything modern, on the Frigidaire. I wanted to fix it like a repairman from that period would have. The Catalog gave a part number, but more importantly, the specific capacitance that would be needed. Amazon came to the rescue again. They had the correct start capacitor and, what looked to me, the correct style for the period as well. I installed the capacitor in series between the start (S) terminal on the relay and the start wire for the compressor. It's been working like a charm! Nothing but smooth quiet starts for the past month! I bought a clamp and mounted the new capacitor behind the chrome kick panel. I used one of the screws that was already there holding the bracket for the kick panel. I believe this was a decades old problem with this refrigerator since the relay I replaced had a 1962 date code on it (62 002) and the cold control was replaced at some point as well, the knob is a later 50s style. This has been a saga but hopefully it will help someone else who may be having the same problem.
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Post by jake on Oct 3, 2023 21:51:33 GMT
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Post by jake on Oct 3, 2023 21:52:07 GMT
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Post by jake on Oct 3, 2023 21:53:30 GMT
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Post by jake on Oct 3, 2023 22:04:04 GMT
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Post by cablehack on Oct 3, 2023 23:56:31 GMT
A capacitor is a better way of providing the phase shift instead of relying only on the higher resistance of the start winding, or using a resistor. Slightly off topic, but for a recent repair job, I temporarily substituted the starting capacitor of a dishwasher motor with a 100W light bulb, just to confirm my suspicion of the capacitor being open circuit. It worked surprisingly well and started immediately.
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Post by turbokinetic on Oct 4, 2023 11:27:14 GMT
When I bought my second 1950 Frigidaire model DM-90P it didn't work. The seller said it was "dead", wouldn't do anything. I bypassed the compressor relay and got it running. After a couple hours the evaporator was fully frosted. So I replaced the relay. It ran fine but every once in a while I'd hear a loud start and sometimes the overload would trip. So, I kept an eye on it. This went on for quite a while. I found no rhyme or reason to it. There was no pattern. Then one morning the compressor kept repeatedly trying to start, loudly, and the overload kept tripping. I unplugged the fridge and went to work. Nine hours later, when I got back home I plugged the Frigidaire back in and got the same result. So I knew it was an electrical problem. I had been thinking about the, original, wiring going from the relay to the compressor. Maybe there was an intermittent bad connection. So I replaced that wiring. I found a black, flat, three wire extension cord on Amazon that is a perfect match to the original "Rip-Cord", as Frigidaire called it. I cut it to the correct length, crimped connectors on both ends, and installed it exactly as the original wiring was. Once again the Frigidaire ran fine for a while but it started acting up again! Same thing, occasional loud starts with occasional overload trips. Now I began thinking it must be a hard starting compressor. I remembered reading in my 1950 Frigidaire Parts Catalog about an "optional" capacitor "if needed". I didn't want to use a modern hard start kit, or anything modern, on the Frigidaire. I wanted to fix it like a repairman from that period would have. The Catalog gave a part number, but more importantly, the specific capacitance that would be needed. Amazon came to the rescue again. They had the correct start capacitor and, what looked to me, the correct style for the period as well. I installed the capacitor in series between the start (S) terminal on the relay and the start wire for the compressor. It's been working like a charm! Nothing but smooth quiet starts for the past month! I bought a clamp and mounted the new capacitor behind the chrome kick panel. I used one of the screws that was already there holding the bracket for the kick panel. I believe this was a decades old problem with this refrigerator since the relay I replaced had a 1962 date code on it (62 002) and the cold control was replaced at some point as well, the knob is a later 50s style. This has been a saga but hopefully it will help someone else who may be having the same problem. That's a very good fix! You're probably right that the compressor has been having starting difficulties for quite some time. It may be that it isn't equalizing before the next start, or it could be that the compressor has some rotor drag which is just enough to make for hard starting but not otherwise damage the compressor further. If you want to make it even more factory-looking, you can go to Grainger and order capacitor end-caps and mounting brackets so that it looks just like the originals did. Sincerely, David
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Post by jake on Oct 4, 2023 20:24:40 GMT
Thank you, David! I'll definitely check Grainger's website.
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