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Post by ronzo167 on Jun 5, 2022 19:20:11 GMT
Can anyone please help me, I am looking for a starter relay can someone lead me in the right direction to get parts. It’s a top mount compressor refrigerator it’s from the 1930’s the # on the refrigerator is 4223666 this is on the relay cover, Type CA-2-B16 USECONTROLCAT58X117RELAYCAT.58X121. 110volts 60 cycles 1/8 HP Full load amp2.2-3.1 I have no idea how to post pictures of the part I need. Any type of help is much appreciated. Thank you, Ron
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Post by turbokinetic on Jun 5, 2022 19:57:39 GMT
Can anyone please help me, I am looking for a starter relay can someone lead me in the right direction to get parts. It’s a top mount compressor refrigerator it’s from the 1930’s the # on the refrigerator is 4223666 this is on the relay cover, Type CA-2-B16 USECONTROLCAT58X117RELAYCAT.58X121. 110volts 60 cycles 1/8 HP Full load amp2.2-3.1 I have no idea how to post pictures of the part I need. Any type of help is much appreciated. Thank you, Ron Hi Ron, and welcome. That machine being a CA-2-B16 tells us all you need to know. The model "CA" machines are very special and need specific maintenance in order to function. If the start relay coil looks to be blackened or charred, it can mean that the compressor its self has suffered a failure and drawn too many amps for too long. If the relay is simply not starting the compressor, the chance is that the compressor is stuck from lack of maintenance these need. Definitely look over the CA machines section of the forum. Lots of info there! Sincerely, David
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Post by ronzo167 on Jun 5, 2022 20:28:03 GMT
Thank you!
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Post by ronzo167 on Jun 5, 2022 20:31:06 GMT
The refrigerator was running fine, it just stopped the other day. I took the cover off of the relay it looks charred, I cleaned it up and plugged it back in. It ran for about 2 houses and then shut down again. I can see the relay is making contact but it try’s to start the compressor and then nothing.
https://youtu.be/sMhRSqG-gHg
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Post by turbokinetic on Jun 6, 2022 1:43:28 GMT
The refrigerator was running fine, it just stopped the other day. I took the cover off of the relay it looks charred, I cleaned it up and plugged it back in. It ran for about 2 houses and then shut down again. I can see the relay is making contact but it try’s to start the compressor and then nothing. That's frustrating that the relay looks charred. Can you e-mail me pictures? I sent you an e-mail you can reply to.
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Post by turbokinetic on Jun 6, 2022 13:36:32 GMT
The refrigerator was running fine, it just stopped the other day. I took the cover off of the relay it looks charred, I cleaned it up and plugged it back in. It ran for about 2 houses and then shut down again. I can see the relay is making contact but it try’s to start the compressor and then nothing. Hi Ron. Thanks for the pictures. I have placed them in your original message so that people who look at this thread in the future will have the benefit of them. Thankfully, the relay does not look as if the series coil has been burned. That would indicate possible motor damage. Thankfully, in your case, the coil is still good. On the top picture, there is a blue arrow pointing to the coil winding. It still has the shiny clear varnish on the magnet wire; as opposed to burned charred and dull varnish. In the second picture, there is a circle around the contact area. There are two "points" similar to how an old engine distributor breaker points set is constructed. These two points make contact briefly, once, each time the compressor is powered on. The angle of the camera makes it so that we can't actually see both of the contact points. There is a little black soot on the relay near the points. This is normal, and yours seems to have less soot than most; so I don't expect the points are totally gone. Could you take a short video clip of the relay operation, with the cover removed? Be mindful that the relay mechanism is electrically live when the fridge is plugged in; so be sure to keep your distance. The normal operation is that the relay armature moves out, the contacts touch, the compressor starts, and then the relay armature goes back in. There should be a minor spark at the points when they open back up, and maybe a small spark when they initially touch. No spark at all would mean that they aren't making contact at all. Constant sparking would mean that they are making poor contact.
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Post by turbokinetic on Jun 6, 2022 21:45:11 GMT
Hi Ron. After reviewing your video, I think that most likely the relay is not the problem. You can see the relay armature moving out as normal. Also, it looks like the contacts are still in good shape.
One thing to note, once the overload trips off, you need to leave the switch in the “on” position and don’t move it for about 5 minutes. The overload will eventually stop resetting if it gets reset too soon after tripping.
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Post by ronzo167 on Jun 11, 2022 2:08:30 GMT
Just wanted to thank turbokinetic for all of his help. He walked me through a bunch of trouble shooting steps to finally get my girl running! I have found so much useful information on this form. Turns out the compressor was frozen. I followed the video from the form on how to free up the compressor. Thank you for all for your input.
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Post by turbokinetic on Jun 11, 2022 14:40:09 GMT
Just wanted to thank turbokinetic for all of his help. He walked me through a bunch of trouble shooting steps to finally get my girl running! I have found so much useful information on this form. Turns out the compressor was frozen. I followed the video from the form on how to free up the compressor. Thank you for all for your input. So happy to hear that it's still working! Happy to assist with your troubleshooting. Hopefully it keeps working for you for years! Sincerely, David
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