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Post by pauli33 on Jun 16, 2020 15:59:58 GMT
Hi all - I recently acquired a GE Monitor refrigerator and came across this forum trying to find out more information about it. I would love your help in deciding what to do next with this thing! As far as I can tell, it's a CK model in pretty good condition. The unit currently works (or did before I brought it home). It has been running pretty flawlessly in my parents garage since they bought the house ~10 years ago. A few questions:
- I believe this model uses sulfur dioxide as cooling, which I've heard this can be dangerous. It's in my garage, which is directly below my living room. I have young kids, pets, etc so I'm a bit I'm a little concerned about a leak or other accident. Should I be worried?
- Does anyone know of someone who restores these in New England (or anywhere in the Northeast)? I'm just north of Boston and have done some searches, but no luck.
- Is there a chance it can be converted to a more modern cooling system? I love the look, but would happily make some sacrifices to make it safer. I know these old models are super reliable, but the thought of a leak is pretty scary.
Full disclosure - While I love the idea of a project, the reality is that with little kids, no experience, and a full time job, it's unlikely I'll be able to do any maintenance myself. Any thoughts or recommendations please let me know! thanks, Paul
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Post by cablehack on Jun 17, 2020 0:57:48 GMT
SO2 only leaks out when someone stabs the evaporator in an attempt to defrost it, deliberately cuts the tubing, or it's an early DR which might rust around the evaporator connections. Put it this way, when I eventually get an SO2 filled globe top, it will be going in my bedroom since that's the only place I would be able to fit it. Would I be worried? No. Anyway, before going any further it would be good to identify what you have. If you can't find the model number, we can identify it from a photo. If you're still concerned, it is indeed possible to use other refrigerants.
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Post by stlvortac on Jun 17, 2020 3:34:18 GMT
Welcome to the forum! My flat top uses so2 but what cablehack said is accurate. Mine still has a perfect frost line which indicates no loss of refrigerant. They are robust designs that in most cases don’t leak out their refrigerant, I have not heard of them ever letting lose all at once unless someone jabbed a knife etc to the frost buildup and punctured it. If the top and evaporator are not dinged up or corroded I don’t see it becoming problem.
There’s a few threads on this form that deal with the testing of other safe and readily available refrigerants. Refrigerants that are safer than many new fridges which use R600(propane) that have explosive and flammable stickers all over it when you unbox it.
As for professional restorers in NE, I’m not certain, hopefully someone can chime in!
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Post by Travis on Jun 17, 2020 13:14:48 GMT
Welcome,
Your concerns about so2 leaking are generally unfounded. Don’t be aggressive with the lines and you won’t have a problem.
Generally, people here do their own work. You might search for antique appliance restoration, but be prepared to drain your children’s college fund to do so. No one repairs anything reasonably these days. It’s labor intensive to rewire and to replace the insulation.
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Post by turbokinetic on Jun 17, 2020 22:11:10 GMT
Hi all - I recently acquired a GE Monitor refrigerator and came across this forum trying to find out more information about it. I would love your help in deciding what to do next with this thing! As far as I can tell, it's a CK model in pretty good condition. The unit currently works (or did before I brought it home). It has been running pretty flawlessly in my parents garage since they bought the house ~10 years ago. A few questions:
- I believe this model uses sulfur dioxide as cooling, which I've heard this can be dangerous. It's in my garage, which is directly below my living room. I have young kids, pets, etc so I'm a bit I'm a little concerned about a leak or other accident. Should I be worried?
- Does anyone know of someone who restores these in New England (or anywhere in the Northeast)? I'm just north of Boston and have done some searches, but no luck.
- Is there a chance it can be converted to a more modern cooling system? I love the look, but would happily make some sacrifices to make it safer. I know these old models are super reliable, but the thought of a leak is pretty scary.
Full disclosure - While I love the idea of a project, the reality is that with little kids, no experience, and a full time job, it's unlikely I'll be able to do any maintenance myself. Any thoughts or recommendations please let me know! thanks, Paul Hi Paul. Glad you're on our forum and have acquired your CK Monitor Top. I can answer some of your questions. These are indeed SO2 systems. There is a lot of negative information from back in the day concerning this refrigerant. Earlier systems contained many "tens of pounds" of SO2 in the unit and other parts. With some of the larger systems, belt-driven compressors in particular; it was possible for a leak to pose a significant health risk. This was of particular concern to people who could not move away from the leak if it were in a confined space. The CK Monitor Top is one of the last SO2 refrigerators sold. By this time, the technology was mature and the CK doesn't have a very large charge of refrigerant. The smaller charge contained in the CK machine would not be a serious health risk unless the unit were to sustain massive damage while in a small space; and lose the entire charge at once in a confined space. With this in your garage, even with a garage door in place, there is still ventilation since these doors are not air tight. The fact that the charge is small, the unit is in a garage, and it's a CK machine which do not spring catastrophic leaks by themselves - you have nothing to worry about. It is generally not possible to get any local service people to work on a Monitor Top. Most of us here who do occasionally work on other people's appliances do so as a side job part time and there are only a few of us at that. In general, as Travis said; you will need to send your fridge to a shop to get service done to it if you aren't going to do it yourself. I believe I can speak for most of us here - that we would never bastardize a fully working Monitor Top and replace the cooling system. That would go against the spirit upon which our group is founded. We generally don't take kindly to people sharing those sort of modifications here. As for replacing only the SO2 refrigerant with something which is not an irritant - yes that can be done - but again you won't gain much at all and there is a risk associated with making any changes to the system when it's working correctly. Unfortunately; I can tell you for sure, from firsthand experience, what SO2 is like. If you encounter a major release of it, it makes you involuntarily exhale and close your eyes. It's an irritant - reminiscent to the smell of bus exhaust or a volcano. After you move away from it, you may sneeze a few times. It tastes bad and the taste lingers. The effect wears off as quickly as it happens; and in spite of a few incidents I have had with it - there have never been any after effects. Most sincerely, David
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Post by pauli33 on Jun 17, 2020 23:57:10 GMT
Thanks to everyone for the information. This forum is a fantastic source of knowledge and I really appreciate the thorough responses. I feel like if I was at a different stage of life I would love to restore this myself. Unfortunately that's not in the cards right now. I'll just confirm it's running and try to enjoy it as is for now. I'm not sure what model / year it is, but here's a photo if anyone is interested: share.icloud.com/photos/0ZlulnPVI1znAuTl8MlyeiETg#Andover
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Post by elec573 on Jun 23, 2020 4:37:19 GMT
From the pictures it looks like a ck (the little dimple on top ) but they are the last of the MTs built so the they seem to have the least problems. There should be a mfg. tag on the back of the machine in plain sight. If not there someone one removed it I don’t understand why people do that it makes no sense. I agree with what everyone else has said about so2 as long as you don’t puncher a line it should be perfectly safe . I’d be more worried about the wiring it gets very crumbled over time and can short out .
Also I see some one has changed out the controls on the front hopefully they replaced the wiring as well . If you look at some other pictures of cks you we’ll see the correct escutcheon plate and knobs .
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Post by rosez on Aug 1, 2020 17:43:50 GMT
I posted elsewhere about this but will try here too. I have a CK with SO2 and I need to drain it. It still does cool but we need to get rid of it and I cannot get anyone to take it until it is drained. I will keep reading to see if I can find more help but I am encouraged that I am maybe nearing the right place.
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Post by turbokinetic on Aug 1, 2020 18:18:32 GMT
I posted elsewhere about this but will try here too. I have a CK with SO2 and I need to drain it. It still does cool but we need to get rid of it and I cannot get anyone to take it until it is drained. I will keep reading to see if I can find more help but I am encouraged that I am maybe nearing the right place. Hi there. It's a touch upsetting that you are looking for someone to "euthanize" a working Monitor Top. Any of us who are capable of removing the SO2 would also be more than happy to take the unit and use it for parts or repair it. I wish you would reconsider this. Have you tried to list if on Facebook Marketplace? Also have you shared which state you are in? I'm in Alabama by the way.
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Post by Travis on Aug 1, 2020 19:31:33 GMT
I posted elsewhere about this but will try here too. I have a CK with SO2 and I need to drain it. It still does cool but we need to get rid of it and I cannot get anyone to take it until it is drained. I will keep reading to see if I can find more help but I am encouraged that I am maybe nearing the right place. Please post it on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace. Someone will take it.
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