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Post by hightime1 on Jan 5, 2019 0:04:16 GMT
I have a 1934 ge monitor top that has been functioning well for 15 years. now when the unit attempts to start up the relay? switch activates , the compressor " hums" but will not start and the unit shuts down. when I can get the compressor to start, the unit cools quickly and may go through several cycles before the problems arises again. thanks, Tom from Kansas.
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Post by turbokinetic on Jan 5, 2019 2:08:59 GMT
I have a 1934 ge monitor top that has been functioning well for 15 years. now when the unit attempts to start up the relay? switch activates , the compressor " hums" but will not start and the unit shuts down. when I can get the compressor to start, the unit cools quickly and may go through several cycles before the problems arises again. thanks, Tom from Kansas.
Hi Tom. The 1934 model is the Type "CA" methyl formate model. These require periodic maintenance to release trapped "air" from the refrigeration system. If the non-condensable gases ("air") create too much pressure in the system, it starts to harm the compressor. The first indication will be some increase of noise of the compressor. Eventually, it will cause the compressor to have hard starting and eventually seizure of the compressor.
There are two possible reasons for the start failures you're seeing. Number one is the above non-condensable gas problem; and the second issue would be the start relay contacts are not making contact to start the motor.
Both of these problems are easy to fix. There is a full factory manual for the CA units here. You can read up on the NCG purge procedure there.
If you have questions, several of us here can help! Sincerely, David
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Post by hightime1 on Jan 5, 2019 4:15:02 GMT
thanks David for your reply.. I have purged the system of air , which greatly reduced the compressor noise and chilled much quicker. I cleaned the start relay contacts which were slightly "corroded" and they are making much better contact, but still having the same problem. is it possible the relay needs to be replaced even tho it works intermitently
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Post by elec573 on Jan 5, 2019 4:45:47 GMT
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Post by turbokinetic on Jan 5, 2019 13:54:54 GMT
thanks David for your reply.. I have purged the system of air , which greatly reduced the compressor noise and chilled much quicker. I cleaned the start relay contacts which were slightly "corroded" and they are making much better contact, but still having the same problem. is it possible the relay needs to be replaced even tho it works intermitently It's good that the purging helped with the cooling and compressor sound. That's a real move in the right direction.
Normally, these relays are good if they appear undamaged. Original parts for these machines are very hard to come by these days, even used parts. The next best thing is a Supco relay; such as an RO81. If your Monitor Top is a show-quality all-original unit I understand your wanting to use an original relay, however.
Yes, pictures are always really helpful! Some pictures of the relay arm and contacts would help as well. It seems that the top (non-moving) relay arm sometimes gets bent down too close to the relay armature. This makes it arc and results in poor contact. The arm should have as close to a 90 degree bend in it as possible.
There is one other really big concern with the CA and DR models. The crankcase heater. This is a critical one, especially in cold weather. The heater is located underneath the compressor, in the center of the compressor oil sump. It's generally not possible to feel the heat from it, so that is not a good way to gauge if it is functional. Test for resistance of the heater to see if it's working. First, turn off the refrigerator control. Then, unplug the unit and measure resistance at the plug on the end of the cord. You should see about 1000Ω of resistance across the plug, with the control OFF. If you see more than that, the heater is bad and the compressor is running with refrigerant in the oil sump, which will definitely cause damage.
Hope this helps! Sincerely, David
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Post by hightime1 on Jan 5, 2019 15:04:30 GMT
good morning. the frig is= type CA-2-B16. thanks, Tommy.
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Post by turbokinetic on Jan 5, 2019 15:07:19 GMT
good morning. the frig is= type CA-2-B16. thanks, Tommy. Yes you definitely need to check the heater on this one. Unless you or a previous owner has changed the heater; about 95% of them are bad by now.
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Post by hightime1 on Jan 5, 2019 16:49:57 GMT
ok. will do. it is to the point that the compressor will not start now. only humming noise coming from compressor when turned on. with these symptoms is it possible the relay is causing the problem. have not measured resistance yet but will do. thanks again for your help. tommy,
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Post by turbokinetic on Jan 5, 2019 16:55:02 GMT
ok. will do. it is to the point that the compressor will not start now. only humming noise coming from compressor when turned on. with these symptoms is it possible the relay is causing the problem. have not measured resistance yet but will do. thanks again for your help. tommy,
Hi Tommy. It is possible the relay will completely stop working. Have you tried to operate the unit with the relay cover removed? Can you post some close-up pictures of the relay with the cover removed as well?
If the heater is not working, it can cause the compressor's oil to be displaced by refrigerant liquid, causing the compressor to become hard-starting. If the heater is not working, continued start attempts may make the compressor worse and worse, until it's completely ruined.
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Post by hightime1 on Jan 6, 2019 17:19:26 GMT
good morning. the frig is= type CA-2-B16. thanks, Tommy. Yes you definitely need to check the heater on this one. Unless you or a previous owner has changed the heater; about 95% of them are bad by now.
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Post by hightime1 on Jan 6, 2019 17:27:27 GMT
ORDERED SUPCO RELAY RO81. WILL KEEP U POSTED ON HOW IT WORKS OUT. AGAIN I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ASSISTANCE.
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Post by turbokinetic on Jan 6, 2019 21:24:41 GMT
ORDERED SUPCO RELAY RO81. WILL KEEP U POSTED ON HOW IT WORKS OUT. AGAIN I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ASSISTANCE. Not a problem! Glad to be of help. I have to ask, though - did you verify the heater was working?
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