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Post by Travis on Apr 11, 2015 4:29:42 GMT
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Post by timeswelding on Apr 11, 2015 12:29:50 GMT
That's definitely the unit in question. I recognize my ground circuit wiring.
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Post by ChrisJ on Apr 11, 2015 14:11:49 GMT
It cools and cycles properly?
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Post by ChrisJ on Apr 11, 2015 14:12:42 GMT
He apparently has deleted every post he made and is now trying to rip someone off.
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Post by timeswelding on Apr 11, 2015 15:32:33 GMT
He apparently has deleted every post he made and is now trying to rip someone off. It's a very difficult thread to follow when half of the conversation has been deleted. I still believe that this unit would work quite well if it had some MF added and the NCG'S bled a few times. I am by no means an expert, but I have to think that some refrigerant must have been lost during the excessively long bleed session. Just a hunch, because I know it was working well when it left my garage.
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Post by timeswelding on Apr 15, 2015 19:06:57 GMT
He apparently has deleted every post he made and is now trying to rip someone off. Chris, He's definitely trying to rip someone off: ME! He has removed his listing from eBay and contacted me requesting a full refund. When I declined, he left negative feedback for me (a rating which used to be 100%) stating that the unit never worked. It's a shame that he is unsatisfied, but I can't see how I am to be held responsible for his lack of knowledge of the process of bleeding NCG's. It worked fine when he inspected it in my garage before he purchased it. I suspect that he wouldn't have bought it and taken it home if it didn't meet his standards.
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Post by cablehack on Apr 15, 2015 22:47:35 GMT
To put it simply, he doesn't accept he stuffed up with the purge procedure. He seems to have deleted his youtube video too. From what I recall of it, all the unit required was a short purge which should have been quite straightforward.
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Post by ChrisJ on Apr 15, 2015 23:39:21 GMT
My only question would be if it worked perfectly why did it need to be purged?
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Post by Travis on Apr 16, 2015 0:22:55 GMT
I think we all have our own opinions about what acceptable operation of a unit is. This is even more an issue with a CA model.
This sort of incident is exactly why I haven't sold an old fridge on ebay. I want to know that a buyer is realistic and logical before they buy. I tend to believe that "normal" people are best suited for CK and FEA units. I don't think that casual buyers should go after a DR or a CA, unless they're willing to learn. Then again, if you're willing to learn, you're not a "normal" buyer.
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Post by timeswelding on Apr 16, 2015 1:06:10 GMT
My only question would be if it worked perfectly why did it need to be purged? Perfectly? No. But it functioned well and would have no doubt improved with a proper purge. The point is that, in the half hour or so that he watched it run in my garage, he couldn't have been happier with it. Somewhere along his trip from Dayton back to Chicago, it became "junk" and I became a liar.
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Post by ChrisJ on Apr 16, 2015 1:08:54 GMT
From everything I saw, that he deleted it seemed like he purged it of refrigerant, not NCG so that's on him.
Can you dispute feedback on Ebay these days? Years ago I paid a guy for two NES games and he took my money, never sent the games and gave me my one and only negative feedback claiming non-payment. Nice eh? I think that was back in 1997-98.
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Post by cablehack on Apr 16, 2015 1:43:15 GMT
I think we all have our own opinions about what acceptable operation of a unit is. This is even more an issue with a CA model. This sort of incident is exactly why I haven't sold an old fridge on ebay. I want to know that a buyer is realistic and logical before they buy. I tend to believe that "normal" people are best suited for CK and FEA units. I don't think that casual buyers should go after a DR or a CA, unless they're willing to learn. Then again, if you're willing to learn, you're not a "normal" buyer. Well said. As much as I adore the CA units, they're not something I'd recommend for a sale to the typical buyer just wanting a period fridge. For someone who wants to get to know and understand them, I think they're quite rewarding, and are certainly capable of excellent performance. Likewise, the DR units have their own 'characteristics' also best suited to an enthusiast. Looking at the posts since this and the Flickr forum has existed, we can see that the DR and CA are not 'buy and plug in and forget' models, whereas the CK and derivatives are better suited for that kind of thinking.
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Post by timeswelding on Apr 16, 2015 2:08:07 GMT
I think we all have our own opinions about what acceptable operation of a unit is. This is even more an issue with a CA model. This sort of incident is exactly why I haven't sold an old fridge on ebay. I want to know that a buyer is realistic and logical before they buy. I tend to believe that "normal" people are best suited for CK and FEA units. I don't think that casual buyers should go after a DR or a CA, unless they're willing to learn. Then again, if you're willing to learn, you're not a "normal" buyer. Well said. As much as I adore the CA units, they're not something I'd recommend for a sale to the typical buyer just wanting a period fridge. For someone who wants to get to know and understand them, I think they're quite rewarding, and are certainly capable of excellent performance. Likewise, the DR units have their own 'characteristics' also best suited to an enthusiast. Looking at the posts since this and the Flickr forum has existed, we can see that the DR and CA are not 'buy and plug in and forget' models, whereas the CK and derivatives are better suited for that kind of thinking. Also, well said.
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Post by timeswelding on Apr 16, 2015 2:23:27 GMT
From everything I saw, that he deleted it seemed like he purged it of refrigerant, not NCG so that's on him. Can you dispute feedback on Ebay these days? Years ago I paid a guy for two NES games and he took my money, never sent the games and gave me my one and only negative feedback claiming non-payment. Nice eh? I think that was back in 1997-98. I'm trying to work with ebay on the feedback. We'll see what happens.
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Post by coldspaces on Apr 16, 2015 2:27:07 GMT
I think we all have our own opinions about what acceptable operation of a unit is. This is even more an issue with a CA model. This sort of incident is exactly why I haven't sold an old fridge on ebay. I want to know that a buyer is realistic and logical before they buy. I tend to believe that "normal" people are best suited for CK and FEA units. I don't think that casual buyers should go after a DR or a CA, unless they're willing to learn. Then again, if you're willing to learn, you're not a "normal" buyer. Cool I am not normal!. I would think that anyone who buys an antique that is this old should realize that even if it is working when bought anything can happen. The factory warranty didn't last this long for a reason. From everything I read including what he deleted it sure sounds like he over purged the poor old thing. Then he couldn't buy any replacement refrigerant and got mad.
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