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Post by karlbrighton on Jun 23, 2017 18:51:19 GMT
I managed to get hold of this brochure, which I thought would be of interest. I imagine it to be from around 1936 - 37, as I have a flat top bth from 37-38. It's interesting, as I always thought all of these were made in the US and imported with a transformer. But most of the monitor tops seem to British made. Presumably from parts imported from the ge factories. drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1NwVbGBSjZ0ckdnYzdqMFdZSUU
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Post by ckfan on Jun 23, 2017 20:52:32 GMT
This is fantastic. Thank you so much for uploading this! Once I get a chance this will make for some interesting reading.
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Post by coldspaces on Jun 24, 2017 4:48:23 GMT
This is great, thank you for posting Wish I had time to read it all in one sitting. 24 manufacturing operations on the metal glass leads alone, WOW!
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Post by birkie on Jun 26, 2017 7:51:29 GMT
That is fascinating! Their take on the scotch yoke compressor looks vastly different than the one found on the CKs. The motor is on top in the British variant, and it looks like it isn't oil cooled; There looks to be no oil jet, and no corresponding bump on the dome.
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Post by elec573 on Jun 27, 2017 0:59:14 GMT
Very interesting reading thanks for posting.
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Post by cablehack on Jun 27, 2017 11:55:26 GMT
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Post by ckfan on Jun 27, 2017 22:03:25 GMT
This is like a whole other world in the realm of our beloved models. So cool.
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Post by birkie on Jun 28, 2017 0:36:02 GMT
So strange that they imported US models into Australia, instead of these British-made ones (or even producing equivalent Australian-made models!)
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Post by cablehack on Jun 28, 2017 21:51:39 GMT
So strange that they imported US models into Australia, instead of these British-made ones (or even producing equivalent Australian-made models!) I haven't been able to work that one out either. My understanding of the tariff situation was that if something could be, or already was being made in Australia, then very high duties were applied to importing that item. I would assume that the market just wasn't large enough to make the Monitor Tops here, with the specialised machinery required; more complex than for "ordinary" hermetic refrigerators. Looking at newspaper advertising for the time, it also seems that MT's were only being sold in the eastern states. Having said that, the tariff situation with other Commonwealth countries was much more favourable. It is for this reason that "American" cars that were being sold here were actually Canadian (including my Model T Ford). The fact that Canada had provinces driving on the left side of the road also meant that cars being produced there suited Australia. It has had me curious for some time - why didn't we get Canadian or British Monitor Tops? BTH and other English fridges were being sold here, so we could have had the English version.
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Post by birkie on Jun 29, 2017 4:27:47 GMT
I haven't been able to work that one out either. My understanding of the tariff situation was that if something could be, or already was being made in Australia, then very high duties were applied to importing that item. I would assume that the market just wasn't large enough to make the Monitor Tops here Hm, was domestic refrigeration (or even electrification) a particularly small market in 1930s Australia? A few years ago, I remember discovering an Australian version of one of my favorite tractors, the International Harvester B-414 (Australian variant was the A-414) www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/004/0/2/4029-international-harvester-a-414.htmlGranted that was the 1960s and not the 30s; but it always seemed that the Australians weren't afraid of a little ingenuity to get workable products available locally. Slapping a transformer on a US monitor top just seems so ... poor... in comparison.
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Post by cablehack on Jun 29, 2017 9:41:52 GMT
Hm, was domestic refrigeration (or even electrification) a particularly small market in 1930s Australia? I believe it was. Electrification in cities and large towns was very rapid, but the thing to remember is the isolation of rural communities meant that electrification came quite late to them. Where there was electricity on rural properties is was usually from a 32V DC lighting plant, which consisted of a single cylinder stationary engine, a generator, and if the owner could afford it, a bank of batteries to provide continuous power. 32V appliances were still being sold in the 1960's; everything from vacuum cleaners to TV sets. That was for the moderately well off...the rest of the populace made do with kerosene lamps and battery operated radios - there was a huge market for those here. Again because of isolation, the take up of radio in Australia was also very rapid. But to get back to the subject of refrigeration; most people did not have a refrigerator in the 1930's. Meat safes and ice boxes were still common into the 1950's. For those that did have one, in a non electrified rural area it was always a kerosene powered absorption fridge. They were very common here. If you were middle or upper class, and in a town or city, then yes, an electric fridge was likely. A lot of them were imported English models, some locally made brands, but also well known U.S. brands. The population was still quite small, and much more rurally based than now, so I'd guess to make the machines for the hydrogen welding, and to make the round condensers would have been seen as too difficult for the small market. I have not actually seen any other U.S fridges in the flesh so to speak, except for a 30's hermetic Westinghouse. It appeared to have a 240V compressor - if it was made locally or not I don't know - all the labels seemed to be missing. There's a book that gives an insight into Australian General Electric in the MT era which may be of some interest nla.gov.au/nla.obj-52840010/view?searchTerm=australian+general+electric&partId=nla.obj-100173208#page/n0/mode/1upThe kitchenalia part starts at page 27.
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Post by ckfan on Jun 29, 2017 13:32:52 GMT
Wow, very interesting. I've read about lighting plants before. Heck, even the DR manual talks about how to wire up the heater so that it won't keep a sensing style plant operating 24/7 just to keep the tiny heater going. In these setups, if any circuit was turned on, the motor would start and production would resume.
I am also interested in the fact that Westinghouse had some presence over in Australia. The fact that it had a 240 volt compressor is quite interesting. I'll have to research that more for when I finally get the Westinghouse video started. I still have so much work to do on the GE video though...
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Post by birkie on Jun 29, 2017 21:44:41 GMT
Hey, Trove! I'm actually at a conference right now (in Brisbane) where a speaker was taking about the technology and techniques behind that archive. I wonder if there's anything like that info for BTH? Imagine if GE had combined forces of all it's international subsidiaries to build a DR army (to use a phrase from a different thread) to rule the refrigeration world across the globe...
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Post by ckfan on Jun 30, 2017 11:08:15 GMT
That Australian GE logo is so cool. I wonder when that book was produced?
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