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Post by ckfan on May 6, 2016 12:09:39 GMT
You're learning a valuable lesson. There are two categories of vintage things: restored and needs to be restored. There's little getting around this. Let's see, its been not even a full month since you said this and now I am already eating crow... That's right everyone. The freezer died last night. Not only did it die but it died a smoky death at that. The whole house smells like burnt rubber now. Fortunately I was home. This could have ended much worse. Now before any of you grab pitchforks let me reassure you. The freezer will live again. I am making sure of that. It is going to be a long road to recovery though. So, what happened? Well, the "contact filling" that I did only worked for a few weeks. It then started sticking on again. I would tap the thermostat housing and it would shudder off. It did this a few times and it did it yesterday. I had enough and tried something to fix it. I filled the contacts again and then sprayed some lubricant on all of the moving parts. I plugged it in and it worked...for a few hours. While I was showering I saw the lights flicker and I thought I heard the compressor shake like a bowl of jello but the sound and flickering went away. I was a little worried but just thought it was my nerves. Then halfway through my shower, hair still soaking with conditioner, I caught a whiff of "hot electrical smell". I panicked, put on a towel and went to the freezer. Sure enough, that was the problem, the room was filling with smoke. I unplugged it and then opened the window. God what an awful smell. I then finished my shower, dejected. Upon further inspection, the cold control was indeed the problem. Even after my shower the top of it was still warm. Now I'm not entirely sure how this happened but...one of the screw terminals underneath the control box failed and the wire was arcing on the other wire. That would explain why for a second that the compressor shaked like a bowl of jello and I heard it in the bathroom. The wires got so hot that it started melting the rubber (that god awful smell). It also shot hot rubber through a hole in the contact box onto the side of the freezer making a nice black streak. At this point I thought the compressor might be damaged. I peeled the two wires back until I got to good conductor and tied them together. I carefully plugged it in and it fired right up no problem. Thank goodness! It still has life in it yet! So, the cold control is officially dead, kaput, it has ceased to exist. One of the terminals is melted off and the plastic around it is deformed. It even got so hot inside the box that it vaporized and carbonized the lubricant that I had sprayed in there. I'm going to have to order the cold control that Gill suggested and hope that it will work. I'm also going to have to re wire EVERYTHING. I'm not taking any more chances with this old and dangerous wiring. I have learned my lesson. I just thought "well as long as you don't disturb it, it will be fine". No, heck no. I love these old machines but their weak point is the wiring. It needs to be replaced if you can replace it at all. Problem is that I can think of several areas, the compressor and fan mostly where I am going to have a lot of trouble getting to the wiring to actually replace it. I believe the wires on the fan are actually soldered on. Anywho, if anyone has attempted to re wire one of these units (they are like the second form of FEA) please share any tips that you might have. For now I am going to just relax with a nice cold bourbon from the fridge that has new wiring and actually works...the reliable CK.
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Post by timeswelding on May 6, 2016 13:03:33 GMT
Well, at least you were there to unplug it and stop the carnage. Once it and my 80 fin are both resurrected, I'll shsre with you a bourbon from my DR3 just as long as you provide the ice. Seems fitting.
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Post by stlvortac on May 6, 2016 22:36:41 GMT
Yikes! Good thing you were home. Sounds like enough carnage the breaker should of tripped!?!
I know you feeling about the wiring. When I purchased mine I decided to replace the cord. Only to realize its tied in to everything else, thus I decided to rewire the entire fridge. That opened a can of worms because the original fan wires so brittle I couldn't save it. There is a complex procedure to try and rewire the factory fan, I may try that some day.
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Post by ckfan on May 6, 2016 22:39:32 GMT
I'm going to see if I can RE wire the fan. I'm not really sure of I can but I would love to save it.
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Post by coldspaces on May 7, 2016 5:21:57 GMT
Wow glad to hear all you got to deal with is smoke,stink and a rewire. Many of theses old units have wire as small as 18 gauge, couple that with a 15 or 20 amp circuit and yes the wire might go before the breaker trips.
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Post by ckfan on May 9, 2016 16:32:55 GMT
I'm making some progress with the freezer. I'll be posting pics soon. It looks like I won't be able to RE wire the fan. It is pressed together and I don't want to destroy it. Fortunately I was able to get the end cap off and I liberally oiled the felt inside. The bearings are still in good shape. The wire seems to be in OK shape. I'm going to go around each one with heat shrink tubing. Next will come the compressor RE wire. Pictures to come.
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Post by ckfan on May 23, 2016 13:16:29 GMT
I am glad that cleaning up the contacts helped. If you ever had to try to find a new one it looks like the only thing listed by Gemline in the late 80s is this universal control the GC 608 View AttachmentView AttachmentGill, I have tried in vain to find and order a gemline gc 608. I don't even see an online retailer selling gemline controls. Is there something that I am missing here? If you could point me in the right direction so that I can find and order a control I would greatly appreciate it.
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Post by ckfan on May 23, 2016 16:51:43 GMT
Gill, disregard that. I was able to find and order a GC608 from Ebay. Travis helped me find it! It should be in by Friday.
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Post by coldspaces on May 24, 2016 0:16:08 GMT
Sorry I should have explained that Gemline was bought out by the big manufactures and then done away with so we would have to buy OEM parts more. I normaly have to use the specs from the catalog to match one similar or use a cross reference such as the one Mars has online. www.marsm-a.com/images/Product-X-Ref-new.pdfGlad you were able to find something.
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Post by ckfan on May 26, 2016 14:38:00 GMT
Quick update on the status of my chest freezer. I will be putting everything together very soon. All of my parts are coming in today! I will post the final steps on getting it put back together soon.
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Post by ckfan on Oct 21, 2016 15:33:11 GMT
I know this should be a simple thing to think about but...I have a question about moisture migration.
The other day I was an idiot (hard to imagine, I know) and I turned off my freezer so that I could take that video of the DR1 running. I meant to turn it right back on but guess what?! I didn't. The next day I glanced over at the freezer and noticed that the temperature light was off. Uh oh. I opened up the lid. Thankfully everything except the ice cream was still frozen solid. Heck, even most of the frost had stuck on the sides still. As soon as I opened the lid though, LOTS of water started running out of the spaces between the textolite strips and the porcelain liner that is on the bottom of the lid. Hmm, that can't be good. I would say that about a cup of water ran out. So, obviously a good amount of moisture is getting into the insulation up there. I haven't checked the sides around the tub yet. When I disassembled the unit I had no signs of moisture intrusion at all. Now that it has a new door seal it should be better...you would think. The door seal makes good contact all around. What in the heck is going on here? I don't want to rust the poor thing out. When you open the lid and it starts raining, you are having a bad day. Any ideas as to what is causing this?
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Post by timeswelding on Oct 21, 2016 16:01:21 GMT
The best way I have found to solve problems like this is to draw a detailed cross section view of the cabinet and lid. Even though you are very familiar with its anatomy, seeing the section view will allow you to determine the path of the moisture and how to remedy it. Works for me.
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Post by ckfan on Oct 21, 2016 16:28:13 GMT
I'll have to try that. Now that I am thinking about the whole setup I think I may know where it is coming from and I think I am not going to like what I find. When I put the door seal on I put it on as one long piece. That means that I had to round the corners and it kind of puckered up on the corners. Not bad, but a little bit. I think the tiny little spot where the corners don't quite meet the bottom of the cabinet may be where the moisture is coming in at. Oh boy, there could be moisture all over the interior of this thing now. I'm going to have to dig into it tonight and see what I find. I just got it back up and running since I have a lot of food inside. I hope nothing is damaged.
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Post by elec573 on Nov 8, 2016 3:30:28 GMT
Hello was wondering if you found out where the water was coming in on your freezer ?
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Post by ckfan on Nov 8, 2016 5:55:36 GMT
Hello was wondering if you found out where the water was coming in on your freezer ? No, I haven't even thought about it. Been very busy. I might have a chance to look at it this week. I'll report back once I tear into it.
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