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Post by cablehack on Aug 21, 2013 0:54:51 GMT
Found in a 1951 home owners catalog. There's probably a patent somewhere describing what's in it.
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Post by ChrisJ on Aug 21, 2013 1:04:29 GMT
Its bakelite. I think anyway. Found some interesting things "Textolite was a plastic manufactured by General Electric from the 1930's. Eventually, GE started making a Formika like laminateout of Textolite and simply marketed it as Textolite. I believe the laminate was made from the early 1950's until te 1980's." avtex.spb.ru/page/textolite_about/en
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Post by coldspaces on Aug 21, 2013 4:09:52 GMT
Here is another link I found, looks like there have been a lot of different type of textolite. Look like you are right they say "Textolite is manufactured by way of direct hot pressing and impregnating coarse calico fabric with Bakelite lacquer." uzkva.com/en/product/6
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Post by ChrisJ on Aug 21, 2013 11:03:47 GMT
Yeah but does normal Bakelite have cloth in it?
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Post by Grigg on Aug 21, 2013 17:10:24 GMT
I think Bakelite, Textolite and Micarta are all very similar materials. They're composite materials made with a Phenolic resin that takes heat and pressure to set.
Textolite and Bakelite use some form of powder filler like flour, sawdust, or that sort of thing. Micarta is, well it was, a Westinghouse brand and is made with various fabric as the reinforcement and filler. Linen fabric for a finer texture, often used in small electrical insulators, and canvas for larger or sturdier things, like cam shaft gears, other insulators.
I have literately a ton and a half of Micarta in my shop and am quite familiar with it. Seeing the black strips in our new old GE fridge I was sure they were bakelite or the equivalent even before I began reading here or knew the term Textolite.
At home I have an old industrial plastics hand or text book sort of thing. I'll see if it mentions Textolite, I do recall it discusses Micarta and Bakelite.
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Post by ChrisJ on Aug 21, 2013 17:49:27 GMT
The one thing that confuses me is the breaker strips on the MT don't seem as brittle as bakelite as they are somewhat flexible. Wouldn't pure bakelite just snap if you tried to bend it even a little?
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Post by cablehack on Aug 22, 2013 0:46:24 GMT
I had assumed that Textolite was a name GE had given to bakelite, until I removed the breaker strips and found them to be flexible. The kind of bakelite I'm familiar with, as used in things like old telephones, radios, and electrical fittings, uses a filler such as flour and sawdust. It is strong, but very brittle. But what GE has created is not that. It's obvious from other aspects of the fridge design that GE didn't like using other people's patents, so perhaps this one was a way around bakelite?
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Post by Grigg on Aug 22, 2013 15:01:39 GMT
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Post by Grigg on Aug 22, 2013 20:21:28 GMT
Did some more research and reading today on Phenolic plastics; those made with Pherol-Aldehyde resin. A thermoset plastic that once set can't be remelted. First some history: -Bakelite, phenol-formaldehyde, was invented by Leo Hendrik Baekeland in 1907. See the " Bakelizer" -He then opened his own factory in 1910; The General Bakelite Company. - General Electric, and Westinghouse Electric were among some of the early customers/users.
From the Journal of Chemical Education Dec. 1925 Phenol-formaldehyde resin ...is the basis of the various forms of phenol resin products found on the market today (1925), and sold under the name "Bakelite." These forms are of four general kinds: 1. Transparent Resin 2. Molding Materials 3. Liquid products -Varnish, Cement, Laquer, Enamel. 4. Laminated sheets, Tubes, and Rods. The Laminated Product- In the manufacturer of Bakelite Laminated the same uncured resin is employed, dissolved in alcohol, for the impregnation of sheets of paper or of cloth. These sheets after being freed from alcohol are plied upon one another to the desired thickness and subjected to strong pressure between the heated platens of a hydraulic press.
Here's an interesting bit from the November 1935 "Industrial and Engineering Chemistry" -Laminated synthetic resinous products are manufactured by impregnating various fibrous base materials such as paper, canvas, linen, or asbestos, with the resin [phenol-formaldehyde] and subsequently laminating the impregnated base by the application of heat and pressure. Some of the better known products of this character are offered under the trade names of Celoron, Dilecto, Formica, Micarta, Spauldite, Synthane, and Textolite.
So I've learned that Bakelite is the easy name for oxybenzylmethylenglycolanhydride, and that is, or starts as, phenol-formaldehyde resin. Then you add any number of fillers, like wood flour, fabric and so on to make the different products. and as I suspected Textolote isn't anything really different, just a trade name for the same laminated phenolic material we're familiar with under different names.
To answer an earlier question of why the GE Textolite strips are flexible and not brittle like "Bakelite" I believe the answer is Bakelite as we think of for distributor caps, knobs and things this is reasonably brittle is made with a powdered filler, and Textolite strips are made with paper sheets as filler, giving it more strength.
Hope that is useful,
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Post by Grigg on Aug 22, 2013 20:26:40 GMT
oops, extra post
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Post by ChrisJ on Aug 22, 2013 20:33:50 GMT
So,
Textolite is Formica essentially? Speaking of which when growing up we had a Formica table in the kitchen that was super durable. Now all I can find is wood tables that burn easily if you set a hot potato or pot on it.
Whats the deal? Seems like we took a step backwards.
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Post by Grigg on Feb 2, 2016 16:16:58 GMT
Old thread, but I have some more info to add after finding a 1931-32 Westinghouse catalog. This is the opening page of the Micarta section listing the many varied uses of Micarta. There are dozens of grades and or compositions with various materials.
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Post by vimco on Feb 2, 2016 18:06:01 GMT
This is fascinating.I'm surprised we don't see its ilk used more often as the various properties are amazing. What is being used today that's so much "better"?
p.s.Chris, I have an old formica table in my Annex kitchen. (I've unconsiously recreated the imfamous Saturday Evening Post Dewey/Truman kitchen down to the toaster and Sunbeam vaculator!) It wears like iron. I'm more surprised to see its fall from favor in kitchen countertops. Except for very hot pots, it's such a great surface. Quiet, as well. However, I'm in the birthplace of formica.
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Post by Grigg on Feb 4, 2016 15:29:59 GMT
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Post by vimco on Feb 4, 2016 17:12:53 GMT
Is it still being made?
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